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Do you Red Sox fans still think "the trade" sucked?

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hyounpark
Oct. 28th, 2004 06:50 am (UTC)
Although the trade ended up well, I still think we should have been able to get more for Nomar than Cabrera and a defensive replacement at 1B. Lowe finally showed up for the playoffs, but he had a lousy regular season. I think that having Lowe in the playoffs was more important than having Cabrera + squid scraps. Cabrera + a bullpen upgrade over Mendoza/Leskanic would have been better. I have no real sentimental feelings towards Nomar: anybody can be traded for the right price. But I thought he had a little more trade value than that.

However, the trade did prove something that I'd tried to tell people for years: that Nomar was, at best, an average defensive SS with poor range and double play skills. Cabrera is a major league SS. Nomar and Jeter are below average SS who had East Coast hype and good arms and potent bats, but lousy first steps and range.

Honestly,
Hyoun
spwebdesign
Oct. 28th, 2004 07:26 am (UTC)
They did get something more than Cabrera and Mi[insert vowels and consonants at will]z -- they also got Dave Roberts, who is a good 4th OF, decent bat, and good baserunner. Plus, I think M* is more than just a defensive replacement. I haven't looked at his stats this year, but hasn't he traditionally been a good OBP guy? As has been Cabrera.

However, the trade did prove something that I'd tried to tell people for years: that Nomar was, at best, an average defensive SS with poor range and double play skills. Cabrera is a major league SS. Nomar and Jeter are below average SS who had East Coast hype and good arms and potent bats, but lousy first steps and range

I'm glad you realize this. I've caught a lot of flack from Red Sox and Yankees fans for suggesting that Nomar and Jeter are anything less than deities.
rsc
Oct. 28th, 2004 08:03 am (UTC)
Mientkiewicz. (You can cut and paste this from any number of sports pages, you know.) He has been a good hitter in the past. He wasn't hitting especially well for Minnesota this year, but he also wasn't getting much playing time, as they had brought up a new young prospective-star first baseman. Whether the SOx really have room to play him regularly is an open question.

Roberts was actually part of a separate trade.
hyounpark
Oct. 28th, 2004 12:57 pm (UTC)
Roberts actually came in a separate trade from a nobody minor leaguer, Henri Stanley. (Which actually seems a bit cheap for a guy who can steal bases at will and back up any of the OF positions.) I think Mientkiewicz and Roberts are similar talents that were available for practically nothing. They're both useful players, but not so useful that you need to give up actual talent to get them. Minky's been a good OBP guy in the past, though he didn't do it this year and we weren't going to give him much playing time when we had Ortiz and Millar. Mientkiewicz had already been benched on the Twins because they had the superior Justin Morneau playing there.

Jeter's an odd player: he's smart and fast and a good hitter, but he simply lacks the positioning and first step that it takes to play SS. If I were a Yankees fan, it would bother me that he played SS. But I'm not, so it doesn't. I think he'd be a very good outfielder, but if they didn't move him for A-Rod (who is a superior fielder), they're never moving him. Defensively, Jeter and Nomar are no Khalil Greene.

Observingly,
Hyoun
spwebdesign
Oct. 28th, 2004 01:16 pm (UTC)
Wow, a non-Padres fan who knows who Khalil Greene is! I'm impressed and flattered. ;) Any idea when they announce the NL rookie of the year? If he doesn't win it, it's a travesty!

I was surprised to find that the Yankees acquired A-Rod to play him at 3B. IMO, he is a superior defensive SS to Jeter. I think they put him at 3B b/c he has the bigger bat, and there seems to be a rule that the bigger bats must play corner positions. I don't think it matters if you're going to have them both in the line-up. I would have put A-Rod at SS and Jeter at either 2B (if they had another viable 3B alternative) or 3B.
rsc
Oct. 28th, 2004 08:05 am (UTC)
I don't know whom you mean by "you Red Sox fans" but I for one never thought the trade sucked.

The people who actually measure and pay attention to such things have been saying that Nomar and Jeter were subpar defensive shortstops for years. Both make some pretty flashy plays now and again, but day in and day out Cabrera, Vizquel, Reese, and probably several others are much better in the field.
spwebdesign
Oct. 28th, 2004 12:51 pm (UTC)
There seemed to be several quite vocal opponents of the trade. One particular LJ poster (not related to the MVP) seemed quite up in arms about it. I always thought it was a great trade for the Sox, but I got the impression most Sox' fans didn't share my assessment.
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