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Do you Red Sox fans still think "the trade" sucked?


Oct. 28th, 2004 07:26 am (UTC)
They did get something more than Cabrera and Mi[insert vowels and consonants at will]z -- they also got Dave Roberts, who is a good 4th OF, decent bat, and good baserunner. Plus, I think M* is more than just a defensive replacement. I haven't looked at his stats this year, but hasn't he traditionally been a good OBP guy? As has been Cabrera.

However, the trade did prove something that I'd tried to tell people for years: that Nomar was, at best, an average defensive SS with poor range and double play skills. Cabrera is a major league SS. Nomar and Jeter are below average SS who had East Coast hype and good arms and potent bats, but lousy first steps and range

I'm glad you realize this. I've caught a lot of flack from Red Sox and Yankees fans for suggesting that Nomar and Jeter are anything less than deities.
Oct. 28th, 2004 08:03 am (UTC)
Mientkiewicz. (You can cut and paste this from any number of sports pages, you know.) He has been a good hitter in the past. He wasn't hitting especially well for Minnesota this year, but he also wasn't getting much playing time, as they had brought up a new young prospective-star first baseman. Whether the SOx really have room to play him regularly is an open question.

Roberts was actually part of a separate trade.
Oct. 28th, 2004 12:57 pm (UTC)
Roberts actually came in a separate trade from a nobody minor leaguer, Henri Stanley. (Which actually seems a bit cheap for a guy who can steal bases at will and back up any of the OF positions.) I think Mientkiewicz and Roberts are similar talents that were available for practically nothing. They're both useful players, but not so useful that you need to give up actual talent to get them. Minky's been a good OBP guy in the past, though he didn't do it this year and we weren't going to give him much playing time when we had Ortiz and Millar. Mientkiewicz had already been benched on the Twins because they had the superior Justin Morneau playing there.

Jeter's an odd player: he's smart and fast and a good hitter, but he simply lacks the positioning and first step that it takes to play SS. If I were a Yankees fan, it would bother me that he played SS. But I'm not, so it doesn't. I think he'd be a very good outfielder, but if they didn't move him for A-Rod (who is a superior fielder), they're never moving him. Defensively, Jeter and Nomar are no Khalil Greene.

Oct. 28th, 2004 01:16 pm (UTC)
Wow, a non-Padres fan who knows who Khalil Greene is! I'm impressed and flattered. ;) Any idea when they announce the NL rookie of the year? If he doesn't win it, it's a travesty!

I was surprised to find that the Yankees acquired A-Rod to play him at 3B. IMO, he is a superior defensive SS to Jeter. I think they put him at 3B b/c he has the bigger bat, and there seems to be a rule that the bigger bats must play corner positions. I don't think it matters if you're going to have them both in the line-up. I would have put A-Rod at SS and Jeter at either 2B (if they had another viable 3B alternative) or 3B.

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